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Illegal : 7/24/2010

Passing and ordinance requiring business to post "where is your bag" signs illegal. Just but out Santa barbara.

John q

Burden on the poor : 7/24/2010

What about the bacteria from using the same bag over and over. How many people go home and wash their bags to prevent cross contamination?

I dont want to have to pay 10 cents fee for food the store isnt going to pay that the customer will

: 7/24/2010

While paper was often scene as the superior environmental alternative, environmentalists have increasingly turned on that material as well, noting that the best thing for the environment is for customers to bring their own reusable bags.

sounds like bag a NAZI

PAPER BALLOTS ONLY : 7/24/2010

Lawmakers should instead expend precious time, attention, money and resources toward re-establishing the paper ballot only method only in elections.
The State has squandered billions of dollars toward special interest state agency union lobby agendas - and this is just another drastic attempt to garner more revenues for themselves.
There are PLENTY of trees in the wilderness .. more than what we could burn through several lifetimes without recycling.. just fly along the entire Pacific Northwest in a cesna airplane and anyone can see this liberal fascist agenda to tax the people further has no merit.
State lawmakers. Strickland and his nanny state empire agenda. City Council should forget even putting this on the agenda to even deliberate. Not worthy of our time.

Paper Ballots Only

RIGHT ON MY FRIEND : 7/24/2010

Leave the platic bags alone : 7/24/2010

I'm not buying any cloth bags. The plastic bags are fine. Stop the insanity with this environmental bullshit!

Genius

We already have that choice : 7/24/2010

“I am supportive of the bill because it allows people to choose to use reusable bags,” said Santa Barbara Mayor Helene Schneider.
Wait a second! We have that choice now without any new laws. Government isn't encouraging behavior with this bill, it's creating a new tax, making new government jobs, requiring more tax dollars to pay those people. Such laws promote only the vicious cycle of government spending in the name of green. If we really wanted to make an impact on plastics, we should no longer use plastic water bottles as they end up in the ocean. Most of SB's plastic shopping bags end up in landfills.

Mr. M

Keep the plastic bags : 7/24/2010

Now that the city and county have stopped stocking the doggie bag dispensers at local parks and trails, those plastic grocery bags are needed more than ever. Our plastic bags all get used.

Responsible dog owner

: 7/24/2010

I think we should establish a committee to survey how people really feel on this subject! But we probably shouldn't spend more than $50,000 for the findings.

The Republic of Santa Barbara strikes again! : 7/25/2010

First bulbouts, now the possibility of mandatory bag signs. This is social engineering by ordinance abuse.
What's next in the SB socialist regime? Actually, I'm afraid to ask!

BeachGuy

: 7/25/2010

Beach Guy: You don't call tax cuts for the wealthy "social engineering"?

: 7/25/2010

What about requiring biodegradable bags, instead?
I, for one, use my plastic bags as trash can liners in the kitchen. I am just curious: those of you urging bring-your-own bags...what do put your trash in in the kitchen? Or, in the bathroom? Do you just dump it in a hard plastic waste basket? Then, you use precious water to clean it every time it is emptied? Do your trashmen dump part of your trash in the street because it s not sealed in smaller plastic bags and it just blows out of the big trashcans? Just asking. Looking forward to replies...

JustBobF

: 7/25/2010

to illegal, if a law is passed, i don't suppose it is illegal anymore, is it? why do you think such a law would be illegal?

JustBobF

The TOP 5% pay 95% of Taxes : 7/25/2010

take an econ course

The Rich dont want us here anyway look at target

Just bring plastic Garbage Bags for your groceries you can get them at costco cheap : 7/25/2010

Next they will have a sign saying Santa Barbara Residents Only remember the white only signs, i thought those kinds of signs went out in the 1970's,

More Government controling our lives : 7/25/2010

While many embace this idea of government taking away freedoms and choices, I refuse to drink the Kool-Aid. The enviro wackos and politically correct should put the plastic bags over their collective heads in deeply inhale...

Reusable Bags : 7/25/2010

I would like to see a reusable bag that can be used more than three times without deteriorating.If I'm paying $1 per reusable bag, and faced with $0.10 per paper bag, I'm beginning to think that paper would be the better bargain.

R.Trower

How about using plastic bags over again? : 7/25/2010

Plastic bags are a eye-sore when dim bulbs throw them on the sidewalk and they blow around aimlessly like our elected 'officials'...

Simon Carnales

who cares anymore : 7/26/2010

The world will end in 2012 anyways, so what harm will a few extra million plastic bags do to the enviroment!

Reusable bags work great! : 7/26/2010

I don't see the problem here. If you use the reusable bags zero impact on the environment.
regarding the bacteria in the reusable bags - just put them in the washer every 3 uses or so and your fine.
I have found the reusable bags to be WAY stronger than the plastic bags so you can put more in them.
We simply can't keep trashing our planet - It is a very small lifestyle change to each individual, but will be a massive positive for the environment.

Just trying to help

Good grief! : 7/26/2010

Wow! It is embarrassing to see the people crying about their plasic bags rights being trampled – LOL!
I think people really just like to complain about everything:
“social engineering by ordinance abuse? losing our rights?, enviro whacko’s?”
Children please.

What about garbage bags? : 7/26/2010

People buy garbage bags, and use them, on a daily basis. What is the impact of these sturdier plastic bags on our environment? Encouraging recycling and composting should be at the top of SB's to-do list. Plastic bags at checkout should maybe be paid for by the consumer, but there should be a tax on garbage bags in that case, too. I'm sure that "hefty" bags are not good for our environment, either.

SickOfGarbage

You people that are worried about the enviroment : 7/26/2010

Go to Wyoming Montana Colorado where i am from and it cost us more money to recycle then is saved (IE the gas it takes to ship it alone) because we have to ship it to the west cost to get processed. in Wyoming there is only 500,000 people Wyoming covers 97,818 square miles, making it the 10th largest of the 50 states. if you guys ever left your little Richie Rich town you would see that the world is not dissolving due to big business or human interference. If you people really cared you would be going after china on the way they treat the environment.

i hate environmentalist

just put them in the washer every 3 uses or so and your fine. : 7/26/2010

So you rather waste Clean Water and Soap every 3 times isnt water one of the most important commodities on Earth? Dont you guys see the environmental Impact of using water to clean the bags?? You are a hypocrite because you use something more important then anything else CLEAN WATER every 3 times, now multiply that by 100,000 people, so how can you be all about the environment as you use up water that we need to live?

Fist Full Of Crap

Off subject : 7/26/2010

1. Wyoming Montana Colorado - you hate enviromentalist because you have to pay for recycling? brilliant.
2. Sitting on fist - Funny - but water doesn't pollute the environment - plastic does.
There are thousands of ways to conserve / recycle / reclaim water - even convert salt water to usable clean water.
The plastic bags are manufactured from crude oil and natural gas and after extruded from the die are cooled by WATER. Three valuable resources used to make each bag.
Multiply that by 47 MILLION bags in SB alone and even you can see the value in getting rid of the plastic bags.

reclaimed water goes to the bushes and parks and at a HIGH COST : 7/26/2010

go to the treatment plant and you will see it doesnt get recycled the way you think it does, the cost to convert the water in to drinking water then it is wasted by using soap and then there is a cost to convert it into reclaimed water and during fiesta or the super bowl the tanks get over ran and then they dump the water into the ocean because of the cost of the replacing the parasites used to reclaim that water, I hate environmentalist because they rather see kids in Compton and Watts starve and give 800 million dollars to save a toad. What you also forget is we only have so much of lake Cachuma that is designated for santa barbara, and the energy wasted to convert that water too, It would be cheaper to just use plastic bags

They have tours to at the sewage treatment plant i went with my science class at sbcc

So what you are saying is That it is impossible to recycle Plastic Bags? : 7/26/2010

YOU CANT LIVE WITHOUT WATER and they just raised the rate of water

Did you know hitler was a vegetarian

To "Good Grief" and "Off Subject" : 7/26/2010

So you'd tax the people further over a frivolous falacy in order to accomplish what, exactly?
You don't happen to work as lobby for State Agency Union interest by any chance?
Look: Paper Ballots Only. If this item MUST take our precious time attention money resources, then make it Paper Ballots Only.
And speaking of children, "Good Grief" - are you even fit?

Paper Ballots Only

SBCC : 7/26/2010

Let me help:
Lake Cachuma is only part of SB's water supply - ever heard or state water? Didn't think so.
The re-claiming of water is a tiny fraction of what energy is used to make plastic bags and recycle them.
I missed the part of the article about the toads? But then again you missed the entire point.
Back a few decades ago some genius found a great insulator / very cheap – it got used in automobiles, housing, you name it.
It's name: asbestos.
People thought that was a great idea at one time as well . .. .

Go back to school and demand a refund!

To: What are you saying? : 7/26/2010

From Wikipedia:
"In addition to being a teetotaler and a non-smoker,[1] Adolf Hitler is often said to have practiced some form of vegetarianism.[2] It has been theorized that Hitler's diet may have been based on Richard Wagner's historical theories[3] which connected the future of Germany with vegetarianism.[4] Hitler believed that a vegetarian diet could both alleviate personal health problems and bring about a spiritual regeneration."
Indeed the whole liberal fascist movement similar to the anti smoking campaign started as the first line item agenda as means toward oppressing the people. Way trends are going, it appears this mentality just want more money cuz of an inability to sustain themselves, among the publicly held entity. Big Government. Nothing but interference.
Not to get all "Godwin" here, but remember Hitler proved to be the perfect troll as tool in advancing the very dapper Adolf Eichmann's agenda toward architecting the genecides against their own people.
Totally ditsy regime. The Nazi's couldn't afford to keep feeding the prisoners they sacked in these concentration camps, so the prisoners were just massacred accordingly.. you know, like Ann Frank.
We need to look more closely at a City Council that is being led by a Mayor Schneider that seems to endorse tax increases everywhere. Schneider has endorsed the Prison half percent tax and now this 10 cent a bag sham.

As the above posts suggest: Paper Ballots Only

To SBCC : 7/26/2010

We voted for piped in State water for Samta Barbara back in the early 90's .. along with the Desalination plant.
Where'd you come from?

Paper Ballots Only

Good grief & off subject : 7/26/2010

I agree. This is a no-brainer.
Give those using the reusable bags a discount, and charge for the plastic bags.
Eventually even the dolts posting here will eventually see the light and do the right thing.
If they must have their little platic poop bags so be it.

47 MILLION bags annually in SB

since Plastic made, we take chances with old spill's ,and waste dump's : 7/26/2010

this plastic Waste Iand all over the town is just the Byproduct after we make stuff.....
I vote to put a handle on wanting such Waste, to be needed.. ( Bag it) <<< cotton,ones >>> say yes to plant's

by jr akre

Paper ballots : 7/26/2010

So you'd tax the people further over a frivolous falacy in order to accomplish what, exactly?
The only ones who would exact the tax are those using a paper bags- kinda like a gross polluter.
Those of us using the re-usable bags will see no change whatsoever.
It appears the frivolous falacy is yours.

Electronic ballots

Fascist Liberals???? : 7/26/2010

To Paper Ballots Only: Um, you know that fascism is a right wing phenomena, right? There's no such thing as a fascist liberal. Communism = radical left wing; Fascism = radical right wing.

Political Moderate

Poop : 7/26/2010

What will I pick up my dogs' poop with if they ban plastic bags?

Sugary Skwerl

My fire was taken from previous posts but : 7/27/2010

I'll reiterate it by saying that the bureacracy created will leave us with a heavier tax burden than any clean-up effort.
It's interesting how the government steps in to enforce something that didn't need enforcing thanks to increasing environmental awareness. I like the program CVS has with theiir very compact bags --they GIVE you 1 dollar credit for every 4th time you use it. If all the stores had such an incentive I am sure many more would remember their reusable bags.
Bottom line, government BUTT OUT!!!
p.s. Ogden for Governor!!

Dianne93101

Can't believe what I'm reading : 7/27/2010

Do you guys seriously think this is such a disaster!? I mean, you really think the "socialist regime" is limiting your life so much by trying to be a little environmentally responsible that you no longer can live it freely? Seriously guys, there are rights you should fight for, and then there are those you just have to realize that you can live without! If you are that concerned about government "controlling your life" then buy your own little piece of forest or a crappy little island somewhere and be free like a bird, without ANYONE bothering you! We live in a society on a pretty big planet - try to act like you're a part of it.

Socialist bastard

Political Moderate and SBCC - Amen : 7/27/2010

Yes, you sound incredibly clever and educated with your Wiki-quote on that Hitler was a vegetarian - good for you Paper Ballot! Also, I'm impressed you've seen Anne Frank's Diary! (You forgot the "e" though.) But as the actually clever person "Political Moderate" just informed you about, Fascism is a right wing idea, closer to where you seem to stand, no? So to quote another actually clever person in this discussion, Go back to school and demand a refund!

Socialist bastard

State water divided by 36 million people : 7/27/2010

where does most of that state water come from

Paper Ballots : 7/27/2010

I was born and raised in Jackson hole wyoming right below Yellowstone,
By the way that special water plant you have here no longer works and is inefficient ask the water manger when you take the tour. By the way i went to sbcc for business and see the true cost of things instead of using emotion to estimate the cost

SBCC

So santa barbara is going to change : 7/27/2010

Albertsons Vons and Ralphs all over the state, no they are going to keep the bags and increase the cost of food at the stores to off set the tax, to all you people that want us to use dirty bag you should DONATE the money to make reusable free for everyone,

I know people that rig Electronic ballots with no proof from paper

who says liberalism isnt a disguise : 7/27/2010

Fascism, the difference between the right and the left is the left will vote their rights a way and the right will fight to keep what rights we still have.

Did you know i they still smoke in bars in central part of the country

Santa Barbara is going to change : 7/27/2010

Uh - your post is funny - but backwards.
The dirtbags who want to continue to pollute the planet should be CHARGED extra for using the old bags.
Also by 2012 the bags will be banned statewide so the cost of food would DECREASE as the stores no longer have to supply/stock the dirtbags with plastic bags.

ban plastic bags : 7/27/2010

I support the ban on plastic bags because of the amount of plastic that ends up in the ocean. It doesn't go away, it gets smaller and ends up in every animal's system. I'm ok with bringing a reuseable bag when I shop, it's not a hardship at all.
Change is hard, some people are very uncomfortable with it. Unfortunately our global pollution situation requires that we look ahead and take serious action now. SB is a politically liberal town, which means they tend to look ahead and make intelligent changes. That is a big reason why I live here. It would be hard for me living in a politically conservative town, and I would understand if yall who like single-use plastic bags wanted to move somewhere with your like-minded folk. Lots of nice towns out there.

the man, the island

social engineering : 7/27/2010

Why does our government insist on social engineering. Cant we have a choice. We need plastic bags for some things. I use cotton bags for some groceries and plastic for a couple other. I use them for things in my house. I hate this liberal socialist agenda. Stupid baby boomer generation. Im generation y and im calling the the boomers out as being total idiots for messing up a country that was top of the world. Keep you social ideals to your self!

Social Engineering : 7/27/2010

You are proof that some people just don't get it, and sometimes have to be helped in the right direction.
I'm calling you out as a polluting dirtbag who refuses to make a simple lifestyle change to help the environment.
You have a choice - You can still buy your precious little poop bags - get over it already.

Not Liberal Not Socailist, A realist

Simplify the law : 7/27/2010

Those using re-usable bags get a 5% discount on their bill.
Those who choose to have the market supply the bags - add 5% to their bill.
In a very short time nearly all customers will have their own re-usable bags.

Easy does it

Left vs. Right : 7/27/2010

"Fascism, the difference between the right and the left is the left will vote their rights a way and the right will fight to keep what rights we still have."
What we can learn from both fascism and communism is this. Radical political parties, be they right or left, result in a poverty stricken, oppressed society. Such was the case in Nazi Germany as well as in all communist regimes. The best political parties have elements of both the right and left. Both the Democrat and Republican parties are comprised of both, as neither is a radical party. Suggesting that left wingers simply choose to vote their rights away is ignorant. We all want the same thing here...a positive, well-functioning society for ourselves and our children. We just differ in our approach and perhaps our priorities.

Political Moderate

CITY COUNCIL WANTS TO TAX US TO DEATH : 7/27/2010

Apparently, City Council has decided tonight to recommend to the Senate their "support" for the paper bag tax increase.

Off with their heads!

To Political Moderate: : 7/27/2010

Term "Liberal Fascist" was coined by Orson Wells in his appeal to the so called, "Compassionate Nazi"
Not unlike Machiavellism, Liberal Fascism imposes duo self refuting campaigns to meet a covert agenda.
Typically the stategy is this: make the campaign SEEM legitimately rational while imposing artificial hardship as means to oppress and reduce people.
Think about it: The electronic voting method. The anti smoking campaign. Additional taxation artificially applied against paper bags ..
WHY NOT paper ballots only? As it stands now even a paper ballot submitted is gauged against an electronic value. Indeed they'll go as far as to say there are t enough trees to make paper ballots which is an apocrophal lie.
Another lie is that cigarrette butts don't desolve in the ocean. Cigarette harm is subjective .. consider Bob Hope, George Burns and Geronimo? Consider also Erin Brokovitch. All ithe anti smoking campaign serves is to interfere with personal liberty and a venue function for people to congregate.
And finally, WHERE DOES the money go against this paper bag tax? Into the coiffers of the State Agency Union Lobby Agenda? This stands to garner substantial revenue by literally mickle and dimbg us to death.
Whose next, McDonalds? Maybe any manufacturer that uses any kind of box?
Again, where will the money go?

If you don't use your head, youre bound to lose it.

Political ignorant : 7/28/2010

Cigarette butts DO NOT dissolve in the ocean.
The #1 pollutant found on the beaches and in the ocean is cigarette butts.
Also smoking is NOT a right and or a liberty - it is a deadly habit that affects others thru second hand smoke.
Funny you mention McDonalds - remember the Styrofoam boxes they got rid of? Same exact thing here.
You can easily avoid the paper bag tax by using re-usable bags - the tax is called a deterrent.

Pull your head out and smell the fresh air!

Have any of you people been to china : 7/28/2010

if you think CA not using bags state wide is going to change globe impact of the environment you were sold a load and bought it. And you can use cellulose from plants as a plastic that is biodegrade, but the amount of pollution that china put in the earth. stopping the use of plastic bags would be equivalent to one person that has stopped peeing in the ocean.

The cost of food would go up because people are poorer now then ever and the store will have to provide cloth bags like the plastic one's

social engineering : 7/28/2010

i with you i been to Montana st University and the University of Wyoming and now SBCC, Moving to CA i cant believe the way people freely give up rights here, under a Socialist Lets help everyone and we can all have Union Jobs Paid for by the state grand pension funds even when they produce nothing, retiring at 50 for most. my home state of Wyoming is at a 2 billion dollar surplus due to the appropriate management of Mineral income and has the least amount of business restrictions and taxes. In the state CA it the cost of doing business is 20% higher than any other state in the union. This State as the most Nanny laws in the nation and its not to save the people but to raise funds for the 36 Billion dollar debt this state has. If you want to save the environment then go out in your free time and pick up trash along the highway and quite adding cost to us the younger generation. The reason i moved is because i got sick of the snow.

I see why business goes DOWN in this TOWN, look at how empty lower state is

Hey Paper Ballots Only : 7/28/2010

how can i get a hold of you through the web

SBCC from wy

To: Political Ignorant: : 7/29/2010

"Cigarette butts DO NOT dissolve in the ocean."
Are you kidding? A car will disintegrate under a TREE if left there long enough. Of coarse cigarettes dissolve in the ocean. And for you to suggest and advance such falacies makes anyone wonder what other lies you come up with..
"The #1 pollutant found on the beaches and in the ocean is cigarette butts."
I thought it was oil spills, aluminimu foil, styrofoam, and other trash. An Apocraphal lie. Where do you get your statistics from?
"Also smoking is NOT a right and or a liberty - it is a deadly habit that affects others thru second hand smoke."
Wrong again. It's a legal freedom under religious expression, among other things. How dare you. And you still haven't resolved Bob Hope, George Burns, Geronimo and how this relates to Erin Brokovitch's story.
The anti smoking campaign is one of the biggest scams in history.. total scapegoat to actual causes of illness.
"Funny you mention McDonalds - remember the Styrofoam boxes they got rid of? Same exact thing here."
Right. And they use paper now. You gonna impose a tax there, too? What are you going to do with all the money, toots?
"You can easily avoid the paper bag tax by using re-usable bags - the tax is called a deterrent."
A deterrant for what exactly? Paper manufacturing? Business sustainability? It's mire of an imposed nusance than anything. And if people don't have a bag, what you gonna do? Tell them to eat LESS?
"Pull your head out and smell the fresh air!"
What you deliver is polluted with miazma of liberal fascism and lies. You should stay away from children.

Creeped Out