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Questions : 6/23/2009

Why are other golf courses not struggling? Or are they? What makes this one so special? Does it become a park now? Why is it considered Ag land if there is a golf course there? Is growing grass considered agriculture? It is already NOT being used for agriculture so why is that suddenly a problem>?

Answers : 6/23/2009

It has not been farmed since the mid seventies, and then it was a dying walnut orchard with most of the trees already gone. The preservation of ag land in an urban area is nothing more than an excuse for more open space at the owners expense. But calling it ag is supposed to connote a concern for preserving viable farming in the city. It is neither and a burden on the landowners, many of whom were passed over by hopscotch land development in the high growth sprawling days of south coast urban growth. The problem with this particular course is the owners desire to keep fees lower and more affordable for the community. Though noble in their intent it was doomed from the start. Nothing is cheap here, absolutely nothing and those trying to keep costs down are going to either need subsidies or go out of business. For the rest of us, losing an affordable course is really going to hurt. Listening to the whiners and complainers and various misrepresentations on this subject is nothing more than the same old crap being regurgitated for the last 4 decades. It gets rather tiring. There is plenty of land at this site that is quite level and would be fine for housing, particularly low density housing. Forget the cheap, high density affordable crap, it has no place on this site and this location. Having the project fix the Cathedral Oaks road abortion that the county left the city was another plus. When is the city going to fix this damned road, huh?!!! What no money now? Bunch of idiots! I can understand Connell’s, vote she is the quintessential no voter. Easton was elected on the same lame platform, but Aceves was a surprise. He now looks to be caving to the no-nothing-never crowd once again returning the city to the do nothing culture it started with. I know the city council is worried that it let too many developments go through, but really compared to the fifties, sixties and early seventies there is virtually no growth here. This project should have gotten a fair study. The time to argue its merits was after more data was brought forth. Instead we went the old way, just say no to everything always.

AN50

lame : 6/23/2009

I will now gladly take my dollars to play in ventura at a decent course like buenaventura or Olivas links. there is no way I am spending the kind of money that Rancho or Sandpiper demand. thanks for nothing goleta city council. Jason Marquez

KJEEsucks

someone will buy it : 6/23/2009

Someone w/ deep pockets will pick it up for a song and make it profitable.

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City of Goleta - not surprising : 6/23/2009

Its been well known for many years that trying to deal/work with the City of Goleta was a joke. They sit on permit applications forever, come up with last minute changes, expensive ones, deny simple requests, etc. So their decision regarding Glen Annie was no shocker, but disappointing all the same. As a golfer I'm very sad to see the couse go. Its a challenging and affordable alternative to Muni, which will now become even more crowded. Ocean Meadows is horrible, I have not played there in 2 years and will never play there again, Twin Lakes & Hidden Oaks are fun little courses, but they're more for practicing your short game than anything else. Muni is a great public course, but 5-6 hour rounds are the norm there and I can't even begin to think about how long it will take to play 18 there once GA goes away. Sandpiper & RSM? Forget it, maybe after I win the lottery I'll start playing there more regularly. AN50 hit the nail on the head with his comment here. Well said sir.

RDP

Seriously????????? : 6/23/2009

Goleta City Counsil Sucks Big Golf Balls.......................I wish we had people in office that actually have a clue and weren't a bunch of nerds trying to put there stamp on something. Open wide and take in the whole picture you narrow minded fools. Obviuosly we need get going and save this course, it is a great asset to Goleta and many fun times have been had there. should the course be saved I say .................No elected city officials allowed.

Sad Golfer and Goletian

: 6/23/2009

The place should have never been approved to begin with... but it was. Now if the developer were to kick in a few million dollars to local schools, to offset the layoffs happening due to inflated salaries and pensions of politicians and administrators, then maybe this would be a good idea. Too bad current management has can't get it together though.

Not a golfer--> golf sux.

RDP and Jason : 6/23/2009

I know golf is expensive in this area...trust me..it can be. I joined that preferred players group at Sandpiper and Rancho and it makes the green fees REALLY affordable for such GREAT golf courses. They both are soooo nice and the service you get is exceptional. I do think Sandpiper is WAAAY expensive but after joining this club, I am finding that its a really good deal. I think Rancho has a monthly pass as well called the 1804 Club? its super cheap also and my buddy who lives in Santa Ynez does it...something like $300 or $400 per month ALL YOU CAN PLAY! run your numbers...it makes sense than to drive all the way down to ventura to play mediocre (at best) golf courses. Thats just my 2 cents. AND - I really feel bad for Glen Annie and all the employees there....its too bad and I my heart goes out to all of them.

Randy

Goleta City Council has no balls...sorry...is Nuts : 6/23/2009

This type of action is a recurring theme of elected officials throughout California. It seems that elected officials are jealous of anyone in private sector owning land and finding a way to making a profit from the use of the land. This mentality is going to have to stop if the state of California wants to keep its tax base to pay all of its state workers and elected officials their salaries and benefits/pensions.

Karen V.

: 6/25/2009

Oh, boo hoo. If this was such a popular course then why was it losing money? Because it was marginal business proposition to begin with. Back when the golf course was originally approved we predicted this was just the camel's nose in the tent; that sooner or later the developers would come crying that in order to make any money they would have to develop housing on the site. Also, blaming the City's decision not to allow a "study" to go forward for it's demise is comical. Even if the City had said, sure, throw more money down this rathole, it would have been years before any permits were able to be approved. Not to mention the delay due to lawsuits that were sure to be filed by concerned Goleteans.

Good News for Golfers! : 7/2/2009

A little bird tells me that the course has been bought by a Texas golf course managment company, and has been saved. From what I hear it will not be closing.