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A Wide-Ranging Rant : 8/14/2009

California ia a liberal state, where legal American Citizens are unemployed at a rate of 11.6%. The number of Illegal Aliens is estimated to be 2,209,000 or over 16% of the population (although it doesn't matter because they don't pay for health care, they just go to the emergency rooms and the taxpayers pay for it). Add to this that these Liberals are cherry picking people to attend their town halls to make it seem that more people indorse the plan. Why aren't there more "protestors"? It's easy, because they are working to support their families and these high taxing, liberal democrats that are trying to take their money from them. America, we have shot ourselves in both feet. Unions have negotiated higher salaries and benefits, and Liberal Democrats have raised taxes on the people that provide these jobs in the first place, to where it's easier and less costly to just move the jobs overseas. Americans lose their jobs. Look at Michigan! Look at the electronics industries in California. Now, we want to tax more from those employers (who are becoming less and less likely to remain in the USA) and have them pay for additional benefits. In this age of providing pay and benefits to people that do not work or try to work, we are penalizing people that do work for working! We elected this administration to fix the economy - they're just screwing it up worse that we ever thought possible. Will you people remove your heads and pay attention!!!!!

FLAG ME. FLAG THIS!!!

LOL! : 8/14/2009

The Democratic Machine here in SB is laughable... They (Left crazies) are the real "organzied" group here in town. Their main Democratic Puppet (Capps) was a no show as her Dem. Handlers told her to hide as she is simply filling a seat and ALWAYS votes and says what they tell her...

Goverment Health Care : 8/14/2009

This is the Obamas and Congress method of fixing the Social Security problem. We won't kill the old people we'll just let them die earlier.

Jerry

Learning How to Protest : 8/14/2009

It scares the hell out of the Liberal Left that we the people are learning how to protest too. And it's harder for us because we all have jobs (or at least we used to), we're not "community organizers." Make that rabble rousers. "She admits she's not familiar with the bill..." that kinda says it all. GET FAMILIAR. Because WE are... we CARE about the future and we WILL speak out.

sbnative

pfft! : 8/14/2009

You guys on the coservative right dont scare anyone with your 'protests', bc all you do is yell and disrupt and lie, you know nothing of true protesting. Your party is becoming increasingly irrelevant and you only show your true colors by throwing tantrums at town hall meetings. 2 years ago any protest against the Bush administration was met with cries of treason from you hypocrites, now you guys are on board. You scare the left as much as a flailing child scares their parents. You are really just embarassing to us. And the guy with the first comment spelled endorse wrong, and it doesnt help any of you get your point across.

America

Yea! : 8/14/2009

What happened to the 'we need to support the president in times of war no matter what' schtick the republicans used to be all about? Now because the prez is not a republican its ok for you guys to hit the streets? Its not un-american anymore? You right-wingers are the worst kind of hypocrites. I cant wait for you to fade into obscurity.

FLAG THIS (pointing at my junk)

less than 2%? wtf? : 8/14/2009

How does that guy figure? First of all the bill (HR3200) wont cover illegal immigrants, its restricted to US citizens, sure the illegals will be able to go to the emergency room and get medical assistance but they can do that now. Second who are these young people who 'choose' not to have health care? 'Cant afford' was the description you were looking for. Health care reform is about making health care more efficient, more affordable and attainable, and universal, so where did he get the number of %2? (Possibly out of his a-hole). Speaking of which, the whole 'death panel' thing is a crock too, the only part of the government that wants to make end of life decisions for you is the right (see: Terri Schiavo) and these are the very people protesting health care reform and flouting these made up 'death panels'. Im glad this article shows how few of them there really are, and that most of us are ready for change.

a new era of prosperity and preventative medecine

Lios Capps : 8/14/2009

Imagine how the media and liberals would respond if a Republican refused to meet with his/her constiutients. I am in Capps' district. She's spending us into bankruptcy. She supports this ridiculous health care bill. She won't address my concerns. So, I will work to vote her out in 2010. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

sgoodyear2003

What a bunch of sore losers : 8/14/2009

You folks on the right are such utter cry babies. Its your way or no way... It would be funny if it wasnt so damn annoying. Where were you Anti-Govt. protesters when the Patriot Act was putting the Feds into every aspect of your personal lives? Oh yeah, you were driving your huge SUV's painted with Magnetic Ribbons to Walmart to buy more Made in China crap. Too self involved and myopic to pay attention to the systematic destruction of your constitutional rights and economic mobility. Healthcare is what gets you off your asses? What a bunch of complete puppets. You're all being played, and played so well...

Jaque Haass

There You Go Again... : 8/14/2009

Calling us names... instead of focusing on issues... News Flash: where were we eight years ago? WORKING. Where were you? We may not be "community organized" -- or bussing in Union thugs -- but we're here. And you are HEARING from us. OOOPS - the Prez himself admitted the US Post Office can't run itself while UPS and Fed-Ex (read private sector) can. But really, don't listen to me--or the Prez. Listen to all those folks in Britian, who are wondering WTF America is thinking, emulating a clearly failed and dangerous model!?! Thank GOD for the Internet. You can't silence enlightenment.

sbnative

omfg... : 8/14/2009

enlightenment? now the conservative right wing is the voice of enlightenment?!? you creationist pro-life yet somehow pro-death penalty hypocrites? thats a joke. its not ha ha funny, but its funny nonetheless.

laughing in spite of my disgust

Vote out Capps : 8/14/2009

http://energycommerce.house.gov/Press_111/20090714/aahca.pdf Read the whole 1017 page mess and tell me this is a valuable bill for the American people. Go organize another community you phony Obama astroturf. How much are you paid to drum up faux support, "Sherry K Holland?" It's a travesty.

Disgusted and I vote in this community!!

Labeling : 8/14/2009

I am not a conservative or a right wing nut (for that matter a left nut either). This Health Bill is a huge poorly written bill that most (including our Representitives) know anything about. There is NO reason for this Bill to be rushed through by the democratic house /congress and President. Let's start with REGULATING over priced medical costs FIRST. I do not want the government involved in the workings of GM, The Finance World or Health Insurance... Our Founding Fathers would be Pissed OFF if they saw the direction our country has gone...From City government to the Federal Level! Also, Capps should be removed from office with her disappearing act. I wouldn't want her to even be a school nurse!

I would love to engage anyone in a real discussion : 8/14/2009

Fact is, both sides probably have plenty to gripe about the direction healthcare reform is headed. It is a shame that the right has chosen to forgo facts in favor of worn out platitudes and outright lies. They claim they too want to do something, then they go on to defend the very core of what's wrong with the current system (as does the current form of the legislation). Fact: illegal aliens pay taxes, just like you and me, use less social services overall than the "legal" population, and represent a younger and healthier population. Fact: most people who go to the ER have insurance, there is absolutely no evidence that illegal immigrants are culpable for breaking that system - in fact it's the insurers who are breaking that system by creating barriers to healthcare. Fact: you are not a healthcare consumer, nor should you be treated as one. If you are sick, are you going to make price-driven choices about your healthcare? Of course not. When was the last time you made a price-driven decision about police, fire, or military protection? Such a concept would seem ridiculous, yet healthcare is somehow treated as a need which we have consumer-driven control over. Fact: no other industrialized nation uses a consumer-driven model for healthcare coverage, they all use some form of social insurance, just as we do for police, fire, military, and other social services where is makes absolute sense. And one final fact: no amount of twisting, turning, dancing, wishing, hoping, is going to make private insurance work as a way to finance healthcare in a way that is sustainable. As long as the private insurers are in play, we are going to suffer needlessly.

tegrat

tegrat : 8/14/2009

You are a very misinforned individual...ILLEGAL aliens in our State drain our social services...from the costs of illegals giving birth in the US, food stamps (now P.C."debt" cards), to subsidized housing, education and the list continues... California used to be able to "absorb" the flow of immigrants to our State...The 'fact" is, we can no longer afford this invasion of low wage salary workers who have limited education...Although, we the Legal citizens who pay property tax are subsidizing ESL programs as well as free education for illegals at our local SBCC. Meanwhile, you kid(s) have to pay; Boy, that seems fair doesn't it? As far as medical costs, perhaps you should contact the billing department of AMR Ambulance Service and inquire how they pay for services of illegal aliens, same for Cottage Hospital... Let me know next time you or a friend gets involved in a vehicle accident with an unlicensed, uninsured, illegal alien- there is simply no recourse... Result(?) You are left holding the bill along with your insurance company and everyones rates go up (those who PAY for car insurance). Jose gets another $600.00 vehicle and continues on his way. Fair huh? We will all be listening for the "pop" when tegrat pulls his head out of his...

Inforned and experienced

no spell check : 8/14/2009

sorry about the "N" vs "M' I wrote the above sitting on a weird chair...

Do I Count? : 8/15/2009

I'm glad to see all the debate about Health Care Reform, and just because I'm a registered Republican doesn't mean I check a box next to an"R" when I'm at Sansum Clinic and get better treatment. But all these Debates and Town Hall meetings are meaningless, it's not like this a National Proposition we get to vote on November. The Democrats have the votes in both the House and Senate to pass HR3200, so what's the fuss all about? I think their scarred if they do ram this bill through that the will lose in control of power in 2010, just like they did in 1994.

CMANSB

IT AIN'T FREE! : 8/15/2009

You liberals and Obama care proponents keep asking for a debate, tired of being shouted down and hating any opposing viewpoint. Well I’ve asked many times now how are you going to pay for this since we don’t have the money. So far not a single one of you intellectuals who are so desperately seeking a debate has chosen to address that problem, why? Do you believe money grows on trees? Think we can finance a $1 trillion healthcare package with a printing press? Oh I know just tax the rich, right? Tax evil greedy corporations? Tax everyone and everything but you? We have a limited amount of health care service. What we have has been built primarily by private enterprise. What happens when you introduce 10, 15 or maybe 40 million new users to that system? Health care is not a wealth generating system. It is parasitic, like police fire government, etc., in that it requires resources that would otherwise be used to expand the economy. It is necessary for a compassionate society to have health care and that care should be for all. But you HAVE TO PAY FOR IT. So again, for the umteenth time where are you going to get the money? The billions of dollars the insurance industry, who I am no fan of, makes, is not sitting in some bank somewhere. It is invested in our economy. Pull that capital out and what happens? Do you have a clue? Do you understand the nature of unintended consequences? You want a debate? Answer the question!

AN50

True Healthcare reform : 8/15/2009

Means tort reform - putting a cap on malpractice suits, if they truly are interested in reducing costs this would be part of it.. Give us a tax free health savings account so we can save our own money for healthcare instead of trusting the government to save for us (like social security)...

to Hypocrisy and ultra partisanship- to Jaque : 8/15/2009

"Where were you Anti-Govt. protesters when the Patriot Act was putting the Feds into every aspect of your personal lives?" ANSWER: They were out protesting and I am one of them and for the same reasons I protest this! This is not a far right issue just because it is against what Obama wants!! It's ok if Obama wants to pry into your lives, have you snitch out protestors to flag@whitehouse.gov, so they can create a database of those who dare oppose Obama's agenda, to inspect the contents of your computer when you log on to cars.gov to register your clunker, but not ok for Bush to listen to your phone calls? Wake up before it's 1984! I ask you the same thing where are all of you Patriot Act protesters on this and where are all the pro-choicers who wanted the government's hands off of their bodies?? Pushing for govt bureaucrats to be involved in every healthcare decision you make? That will be "pro-choice" for you just because you follow your leader Obama?

Ask not how this will be paid for... : 8/15/2009

Ask where we are going to get more doctors to spread around to cover all of this!!

Patriot Act(?) : 8/15/2009

I had absolutely no problem with the PA. I have no issues or nothing to hide. If it keeps the fringe on edge, so be it! Obama care is another issue entierly... Defense of our Country is governments "job" NOT running a health care "program" or getting involved with who gets fired in corporations (GM). THAT, my socialists friends,is the difference!

I miss President Ron!

tegrat HA H A HA HA!!! : 8/15/2009

"Fact: illegal aliens pay taxes, just like you and me, use less social services overall than the "legal" population, and represent a younger and healthier population." Umm last time I paid income taxes I needed a social security number. Do they do an identity theft so they too can pay taxes?? HA HA funniest "fact" ever! Use less social services??? FUNNIER STILL I am ROLLING on the floor.

Tegrat must be living outside of CA : 8/15/2009

Hey Tegrat, Do you know why CA is BROKE? ILLEGALS sucking our system dry! Unfortunately, our media sources refuse to report the real costs of having 6 plus million iillegals who are procreating like rabbits in our state. Hey liberals, the illegals don't give a sh#t about being "green"...LOL

Good article : 8/15/2009

Hi Eric, I think you did a great job writing this article. No doubt it was tricky! Janelle

sbnative

More on ILLegals... : 8/16/2009

Turns our the La Brea fire was started by Mexican pot growers cooking fire... In Newspress this AM, Stabbings in Santa Maria- Hispanics; Car to Car Shooting-Hispanics... Welcome to Mexico Norte!

Attn: Eric, One Important Criticism : 8/16/2009

Organizing for America is NOT, as you state, a national grass roots group. It's an arm of the Democratic Party. Just go to their web site. It's Barackobama.com and it says the site's funded by the Democratic Party. The woman you interviewed, Sherry Hack, is not just some regular person supporting this legislation. She's a political operative for the Dems. You should have checked on her group before giving her credibility.

Tom Widroe

Health Care is all I wanted now I drain multiple Gov assistance programs. : 8/17/2009

I can attest to the system being broken in a big way. I have a very serious life threatening Illness that I was born with. For the first time ever in my life I had to ask for Government assistance. That being Social Security Disability or Medicare. During this year long process I have been appalled by the absolute stupidity of the system. First off I had to sell or stop paying on everything I owned. I lost my car due to not being able to pay for it Lost my place of residence and move in with my family. The list goes on. Now that I have been awarded into the system it just gets dumber. My monthly assistance SSI check is close to $650 a month. It will go to $850 once i get into a Section 8 living arrangement. I probably will now have to apply for Food Stamps to be able to eat and live. So in the first place all I wanted was health care. Could I work sure depending on what it is. I do have some physical limitations. So instead of being a drain on the system in one area Health Care now I am going to drain 3 to 4 public assistance systems and still live at a sub poverty level. How does any of this make sense, it doesn't. In Voting for Obama the reality of it is I only voted for him to fix health care if congress and or the house of reps. goes with a coop system we are still going down the wrong road. Not just that but every state has to have the same care and with the ease of going from place to place. To many in our country travel for work. Or work form another state then go back home.

Must fix the system responsibly.

: 8/19/2009

Sherry Holland is an unpaid organizer who volunteered countless hours to elect Obama! She rocks.