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screw target! : 7/17/2010

Bring in walmart...better selection and prices! Those uppity dirtbags on the city council are high on medical marijuana! I say bring us a walmart superstore to goleta.

wowo man

Political Concerns?? : 7/17/2010

What are the so-called political concerns continually mentioned regarding Target? What are the concerns of providing low paying/part time jobs? Do they reduce the number of high paying jobs? Where's the common sense? This just does not compute. As for traffic, is the city going to nix any other store on State St because of increased traffic as an excuse? Why are there closed door meetings and the public desire to have more shopping options not fully addressed? Too many questions - not enough (logical) answers! My tax $$ continues to Ventura for my Target items...ridiculous.

Bewildered Target Shopper

Clusterfrack : 7/17/2010

For Dale Francisco, we can never have too many low paying jobs? Plenty of dead car dealership properties at south Hitchcock Way that could be retail land use instead. Of course, if a huge Target retail store were there that would add to the clusterfrack traffic congestion for upper State Street and Calle Real, which has been maxed out because of Whole Foods. But at least that would be Santa Barbara's traffic mess instead of dumping onto Goleta a land use decision by Santa Barbara. The Bermant Brothers, who are the developer brokers for Target, need to help their client better and not just push sites where they have an inside financial interest.

No Net Loss of Jobs

Target : 7/17/2010

Who are these so called councilman who have the audacity behind close doors to decide what the public etc want? Is'nt this why we have voting. The public has no say in anything so why kid yourself. You are ruled by these upstarts - I guess it makes them more money somewhere. After all money is their God.

: 7/17/2010

People should picket the shity counsel houses. This town has the worse shopping around unless your wallet is fat to throw away money

So where is the EIR??? : 7/17/2010

Did helene do her own traffic eval? or were there not enough apartments for homeless uilt into the project. Given the other projects she has pushed down our throats during her reign it is laughable to think she cared a hoot about traffic.

And why behind closed doors?

Screw santa barbara. Thats why I shop out of town. : 7/17/2010

TARGET : 7/17/2010

There are many of us who would LOVE to see a Target in Santa Barbara. I drive to Ventura a couple times a month to do my shopping, with Target my first stop. Santa Barbara is becoming a shopping mecca for those with money, like La Cumbre Plaza, with nothing but high-end shops. In fact, I'm getting ready to head off to Ventura to shop now where more of "my" type stores are.

Wishing for a Target

Mayor Schnieder's "Target..." : 7/17/2010

I am sure that our esteemed Mayor has plans for the Airport property, and it has nothing to do with retail sale tax... Just think of how many condo's could be built for the "chronic homeless" (bums) where the old hangers are standing. Maybe the Santa Barbara Housing Authority is waiting for more grant money (taxpayer funds) to build MORE subsidized housing around the Airport; They have the Mayor in their back pocket, it would be an easy transition.

: 7/17/2010

Fine! I'll continue making my trips to the Ventura Target and spend my money there. What an inconvenience!

: 7/17/2010

Santa Barbara one day will be just like Carmel. Only the super wealthy live there. No one else! No shopping, no child care, no nothing but wealthy homes. We're pretty weird for a community, and heading in a bad direction. The city council wants diversity of residents? Then give a diversity of shopping opportunities. I've never shopped on State Street. Just high-end stores. City Council, give the residents what they want, and they want a Target store. We let a Whole Foods in, why not Target??????

cut off your nose to spit your face : 7/17/2010

Logic doesn't track - people will remember these morons at election time. Too bad Santa Barbara county, Goleta and Santa Barbara loses tax revenue to Ventura. Ventura county LOVES the SB City council (aforementioned morons). I do ALL of my shopping in Ventura because they have Walmart, Target, etc.

glad I live close to Ventura county

Typical Santa Barbara council! : 7/17/2010

Someone is getting paid off here! Once again the secret society of Santa Barbara
has spoken behind closed doors. . . It's the middle class that keep a city running, not
uppity socialites! Most people shop at Target, if you start talking to the people who
actually live here year round. More revenue for Ventura or Santa Maria!

Not surprised again!

Never enough imported plastic crap from China : 7/17/2010

The Target boosters would be more effective knowing a little bit about government procedure.
This was a Closed Session at City Council because the representatives for Target were offering money to build and operate a Target store on existing City property. This was a real estate negotiation, which cannot be held in an open meeting. Imagine them saying in a public meeting that they want $10 million but they really will accept $5 million to close the deal. Cannot tell your negotiators the terms of the deal during a public meeting.
Now if the backers of a Target store wanted to make this public, they need to advocate for a land use zoning change first and that is entirely a public process.

Ralph M. Brown

Find a location in Goleta : 7/17/2010

Hey, I guarantee the Target store will do well in Goleta. If you're going to dump the traffic and associated impacts on Goleta, give Goleta all the revenue. Who needs Santa Barbara to be involved in this at all?

Goleta shopper

this is riduclous! give us a target! : 7/17/2010

I am a working pyshcotherapsit who lives in SB and cannot afford to shop in La cumbre Plaza. Put in a target! Let these UCSB kids have a job there. This sounds like the city council memebers are getting their palms greased by Kmart of somehting. WE WANT A TARGET NOW!

Put in a target and stop being so money motivated and classist, city council!

If they let in affordable shopping then the poor could move in : 7/17/2010

If you keep the living cost up you KEEP THE RIF RAFT out, mostly Mexican gangs

Put it on the ballot, City Council can do anything right

K mart : 7/17/2010

doesnt compete with other businesses like Target can because of the selection. This city council is not pro business, they are trying to preserver the idea of santa barbara but they are running out of money and fast, so in 3-6 years the deterioration of santa barbara should move at an accelerated rate due to no jobs.

look at how Empty the HIGH END lower STATE ST STORES are

Target : 7/17/2010

We will continue to travel to Ventura to go to Target, so why not keep the money here!! Get rid of the crappy Kmart!!

idiot officials! : 7/17/2010

if they were high on marijuana they woulda passed it..they must be high on meth, which makes people stupid haha.

SB a rich man's town : 7/17/2010

The city is run by the relatives of the all those small businesses in state street, but they forget that we dont all shop at state street. They just want to protect their own fat wallets and if it means more sales taxes to the city, not a dime will go to all those corrupt rich people of this town. Its like the mafia runs it and if you dont belong in their club they will push you to the limit of being homeless.

J

What are they thinking? : 7/17/2010

We have K-mart What's the problem. Target is wonderful and has better quality. I'm tired of going all the way to Ventura. .Target is a much better employer than Wal-Mart and has a lot of school scholarships to help SB education and schools. As well as helping the job market that is needed.

Low income housing ok, but business with tax $ no??? : 7/17/2010

Are you joking. City hall has to be full of the idiots!! They ok low income susb. Housing, and decline tax generating business. I don't think they have taken basic math. I guess it is good fir Ventura, two targets within a mile. My tax dollars will just keep going south.
Dump

Dump the idiots at city hall

Target : 7/17/2010

We travel down to Ventura for shopping three or four times a year. A major stop is Target.
We don't mind the trip. And when gas prices were lower, the difference in the sales tax rate more than paid for the gas.
I'd rather our dollars go to supporting people in our area. And I'd rather see SB get the sales tax. But I guess that it's not a big priority for our city council. As long as they don't care that SB dollars are flowing to the Ventura, then I won't care either.

2contango

target : 7/17/2010

target is non-union. scheider is in the pocket of the unions - so no target.

believe it

: 7/17/2010

As nice as cheeper things are, places like target are not good for the community. Small buissness cant compete with target and this causes a bigger rift in wealth in the area. Who would go to convinience stores anymore if they can just stock up on stuff at target. Because its so good its bad,

Dmitry

Bring on Target : 7/17/2010

The City is stupid. Target would bring in much needed sales tax revenue. Guess my family will keep driving to Ventura to spend our money. Because the local department stores suck, and the samll shops are too expensive.

Chapala Street

Montecitan to Kmart : 7/17/2010

I was in Kmart last night buying supplies which I always do.
I used to drive to Ventura and realized one day let me at
least check out Kmart in Goleta just for the basics. Sure
enough the prices were great! WE DO NOT NEED A TARGET!

Susan

: 7/17/2010

When I shopped for baby items a few years ago, and then other items as my child grew, I would find myself gasping at prices in Santa Barbara and thus I'd head down to Ventura. The cost of gas could be made up on one item. Chicken Little in S.B. sold a booster seat for $45. The same booster seat in Ventura was $30. I wouldn't mind my money going to Santa Barbara stores if prices were fair, but they're not. Why should I get gouged? We can't avoid it living in S.B., but maybe stores in S.B. should start catering to a more diverse crowd, not just go high-end.

Shopping not for me in S.B.

This is why I live in SB : 7/17/2010

If you want Target, move to Ventura. WELL DONE SB! I prefer to shop less, spend a little more when I do, and support locally owned stores and economy. Target doesn't have an interest in our community, locally owned business DO contribute to it, we need to get away from the "bottom dollar" mentality and rethink how we shop and the impact it has.

No need for chains

TARGET : 7/18/2010

WHY ARE WE ALLOWING CLOSED DOOR SESSIONS ANYWAY? IS THERE NO RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO DECIDE? WHERE DO WE SIGN ON TO HAVE A TARGET?

QWZYCL@GMAIL

Target : 7/18/2010

Why do we need 2 macys? I want target at la cubre plaza. Target at la Cumbre is the answer! I live less than 2 miles from la Cumbre and I go there 1-2 times a month. If target were ther I'd probably go 2-4 times a week. That anchor would bring me to the mall and thus foot traffic to the other stores. One macys downtown is enough! Target at la Cumbre!!!!

ME

target store rejection : 7/18/2010

I reently spent three months in santa barbara from colorado. Retail prices on ordinary things with no major competition are a rip_off. Generic sudafed at vons is three times the price of wal mart. A new target store recently opened near me in glenwood springs co. The developer paid traffic mitigation costs and there are absolutely no traffic jams. Have a public referendum and get rid of your elitest, misguided rulers!

colorado boy

Target : 7/18/2010

How can the placement of a Bev-Mor on State St in San Roque be considered, but not a Target elsewhere in the city? Bev-Mor is a classic strip mall venue that cheapens any neighborhood, and will increase the traffic gridlock on upper State. We do have a K-mart, which is a completely uncomfortable and cheap shopping venue. How would a Target be worse than this? Yes. We must be respectful of environmental concerns, but I cannot believe that there is not an appropriate site for a Target. Additionally, in this economic climate, any job opportunity would be welcome, not problematic.

Target Store in SB...Goleta area near the airport. : 7/18/2010

I for one see no harm in a Target store opening near the Airport. I do not beleive in closed door options when the decisions affect citizens. It should not be allowed. I work for a company called Promo5 Star. They would have work for me and many other demonstrators in this area. We earn $10.00/hr. I for one cannot afford(gas wise) to drive either to St Maria nor Ventura to do the work. I am a retired person. I feel they offer better quality of goods than KMart. NO WAL MART.

Target Store : 7/18/2010

I do hope the council people behind closed know that no everyone in SB is wealthy. Target stores have good products, and the stores are always well kept. NO CLOSED Door SESSIONS. That is why we have a voting system.

BROWN ACT VIOLATION : 7/18/2010

While the Brown Act provides closed sessions for REAL ESTATE TRANSACTIONS- eg PURCHASE BY OR OF PUBLIC LAND it does not provide for policy discussions on whether or not to lease to Target. Someone needs to alert the new D.A.

No Sunshine at City Hall

NIMBY Buffoons : 7/18/2010

I'm a native who has been in SB longer than probably every Council Member. I seen slow and no growth iniatiaves move more people, jobs, and other economic benefits outside of our beautiful community. Am I for unbridled growth - of course not! But Target would bring a much needed improvement to our Real Estate industry, as well as construction, retail, and sales tax revenues while reducing the cost and environmental impact of our community driving and spending their dollars elsewhere, employing people and providing sales tax revenues to Ventura County.

Common Sense

ONE OFF LEFT, TARGET : 7/18/2010

Behind closed session and lack of transparency involved, one has to wonder what instead are the solutions - rather than merely rejecting suggestions. 
For instance: 
1. WHO are they keeping land use reserved for to develop in an area that is highly rural and has much "airpart noise"?
2. WHERE would the Council instead recommend Target to compete freely in the public market place?
3. WHY would members of the Council be impartial to the concept of Paper Ballots Only han the Electronic Voting method?
City needs to build; that function alone is economic vitality for the market which must sustain. 
I'm sure if Target didn't think it was a "good fit" - they wouldn't have tried three times to serve us so bad.  
For merely to circumvent the possibility for growth because of some indefinate prospect might someday appear - comes off a bit ditsy rather than innovative in solving this issue.

What did the Planning Commission Say?

the BEVMO for sweat-shop clothes : 7/18/2010

Are the same people who want the city to negotiate a deal for a real estate sale in public the same ones who want the city to save money wherever possible? When you sell your home property, do you discuss the price with the broker or lawyer for the buyer listening in the same room and recording it on video?

Ralph M. Brown

Put Target in Goleta! : 7/18/2010

There is a nice empty lot across from the Camino Real Shopping Center (Adjacent to the Hollister Ave. entrance) that would work nicely. Since the new on and off ramps going in with the new overpass near Winchester will allow local traffic West of Camino Real lessened traffic impact; Storke/Glen Annie can more than handle the increase in flow.
Enough of this anti-business attitude and Goleta - GET IT DONE!!!

JJ

Target : 7/18/2010

Heavy traffic? Wouldn't Fiesta and all the other summer shenanigans qualify as the same?

: 7/18/2010

So, enough talk, we know what we want! How do we get it? The city counsel must answer the question of why they continually turn down the Target. When we know the exact reason, we should be able to fix it. Someone find out and let us know and we'll all mobilize!

Simple as Letter Writing Campaign?????

Think beyond your self and cheap clothes : 7/18/2010

I agree with City council, the location near the airport could be better used for High tech, High paying jobs. Setting up a city based on low paying jobs, in an area where housing costs are through the roof makes no sense unless you enjoy poverty. We need to encourage industries that pay their employees well, offering them the ability to save money and earn money, 5-8 dollars an hour is not the way to healthy living, purchasing cheap clothing made by some third world country who pay their employees peanuts is inhuman and disgusting.
We make very few things in the USA, import everything, this has to change because it has placed our economy and country at risk. Low paying jobs and imports by cheap labor is not the way to build a better world. High paying jobs allows people to have a better life. Your cheap, imports, that you so desperately think you need are what are causing people to earn low low wages and unable to survive. Think beyond cheap items, think instead about high paying jobs, that can make a difference in the community. Think about building in America.and building a better life for Americans.. cheap clothes won't achieve this goal. What would you rather see... jobs offered at $5 dollars an hour with no future in site or jobs which pay $30+ an hour allowing people to save for their retirement and enjoy life? I prefer the latter and build the community for the better.

Political Concerns???? : 7/18/2010

Nost of the SB city council members are typical self serviing politicians and only looking out for themsellves and are against Target and Walmart type stores because they are afraid that the local SB businiess owners (who do not want strong competition) will not give them financial support in their next political campaigns if they support the applications of the giant discount stores. Years ago, Costco just barely got into our area after a very hard fought battle but was unable to put in their gas station (which deeply discounts gas) thereby costing local residents milllions of extra dollars every year in higher than Costco gas prices. Instead our local politicians would rather have SB residents pollute the environment by having to drive towards Oxnard or Santa Maria in order to shop at discount giants like Walmart or 'Target. Vote these type of self serving politicians out of office the next time around and perhaps we can eventually get stores built in our local area that offer lower prices and more selection.

Fathertime

Fathertime : 7/19/2010

You've got it all wrong.
The council is protecting local business owners by not allowing big block malls in our area.
If you want to shop at these big places in Oxnard or Santa Maria - here's a suggestion - MOVE THERE!
Thanks city council!

Locals only

Wait, I thought it was about traffic?! : 7/19/2010

see this is the problem with closed door policy discussions- the "statement" from the City, and our Mayor, laid the blame on their concern about traffic. now others are postulating a concern for local businesses or desire for "green"[wtf] businesses....who will ever know except the 7 or so people in that closed door session

wheres the sunlight

Again!? : 7/19/2010

They apparently still want us to take our money to Ventura. I make the trip every payday: I start at the 99c Store off the Rose exit , go back over the overpass to Walmart, walk over to Joann's (if I need some affordable fabric), go to Target and gas up in Ventura and come home. It IS worth it if you plan it that way---not if you just make a run to Ventura for some little stuff. I can't understand why they keep saying no to Target--forget Walmart, we'll NEVER see a Walmart. We'll get another Sak's before we see a Target or Walmart in SB or Goleta.

kmart and sears are ghetto : 7/19/2010

at least Target keeps their stores clean, organized, and well-managed. None of these are as bad as walmarts usually are though, so I guess we can't complain too much

Whiners : 7/19/2010

Don't want a Target here, don't want walmart here - that's for LA folks.
AGAIN - If you enjoy shopping at these huge stores, blockmalls, etc. - why not move to LA where they are everywhere?
As a life long local, I am stoked the council kicked target to the curb and is keeping these out-of-towners at bay.
Keep LA 100 miles away!!

Don't like it? SPLIT!

Low Paying Jobs!? : 7/19/2010

Are they seriously using low wages as an excuse!? If they actually cared about stores paying low wages to part time employees then why do they allow most stores in Paseo Nuevo and La Cumbre to pay minimum wage. The store is out by UCSB the jobs would be excellent for students. Target is a clean department store and it would bring excellent benefits to our community. The high and mighty attitude of these officials is ridiculous! Get rid of that junky Sears in La Cumbre and bring in a store that has potential to do well.

Young Professional

Bad idea - bad location : 7/19/2010

The problem is the location. If SB wants a target store - build it IN SB.
The Fairview area already has serious traffic problems, and this would only make things worse.
Why not knock down the rescue mission and build it there?

Target SB

SB Council Idiots : 7/19/2010

They reject Target based on ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS and in the next sentence mention Manufacturing and Industrial? The council seems to be a bunch of elitist morons. Next, lets figure out how much more oil is wasted and greenhouse gases generated because people have to drive to Ventura. Lets also let the people that need the jobs decide what type of jobs is best for them.

Zebulon

target : 7/19/2010

we need a target in santa barbara i really dont think we need kmart or walmart in santa barbara i just think some stores are scared to run out of business with a big company like target

Good Job City Council!! : 7/19/2010

Thanks for putting the local citizens ahead of the myopic LA mindset shoppers.
If you absolutely have to shop at target - how about using your fingers to type in www.target.com?
Keep LA 100 miles away!!

Locals only

Complicated : 7/19/2010

And the Joke Is! Andrew Bermant, of Bermant Development Company. This company plays both sides, and ignores the ral issue. To approve the plan is to have the then figure out a compromise with the City of Goleta. This will then compromise the cash cow called the airport and the surrounding lucrative properties.
To approve such a project will then end any pretense the City of SB has as far as traffic reduction. Private vehicle use is critical to malls and businesses of this nature. Regarding the issue of low paying jobs. Just where are high school and college types supposed to get summer and holiday jobs? These are the entry level jobs so wanted by the 16-18 crowd and supply needed income for the college types.

Goleta Family

leave it away : 7/19/2010

target, walmart etc. the outcome will be the same.
soon as it opens, ALL local business will shut down. think about it, how is the local business's that offer the same products going to compete with target? or walmart?
they arent, go watch "the high cost of low prices" its on netflix instant view i think.
yes its one side of an argument, but better to know it than not.

I dont need a target to be happy

Target : 7/19/2010

Well, I guess instead of SB getting my tax dollar, Ventura County will get it. Oh, I bet the beloved homeless and low-income will get their 53 units on the 500 block of Bath Street instead of the current 10 unit apartment building. Have they started thanking the hard working tax payers for that one? And what's the matter, not enough government union jobs to support someone's political futures? Just like Los Angeles, bye-bye business.
Sana Barbaran's are being pushed to shop in Ventura.

bye-bye business

wake up : 7/19/2010

its not so cut and dry
thats $10 coffee table brings with it lots more hidden costs than you think.
low pay part time jobs you say? yeah, part time so they dont have to pay health insurance, part time so they cant make enough to live. thats good right? because its jobs right?
not when they cause more unemployment because they closed local business down because of the competition. not when once they are here nothing else can survive, no new stores can open that offer the same style of product or same products.
if they decide they dont want to stay anymore, what happens to the HUGE STORE? so large that no one else can occupy it.
what you also dont hear about is that they will ask for the city, santa barbara OR goleta ( dont say you guys arent at risk, you are ) to PAY for the roads, and infrastructure to the new location.
ask the city to pay, for the roads and parking lots for a company that grosses millions of dollars a month?
be careful the glittering eye of the snake oil salesmen. im 30yrs old and would love to buy things cheaper, but the real cost is sometimes more damaging than the $3 more i just paid.
( plus the $20 in gas i just spent to drive to ventura, everyone dosent mention that.... its probably not cheaper anymore )

think about it

No Target - No problem : 7/19/2010

For those spouting about spending their money in Bakersfield by the sea (Ventura),
why not just move there and quit whining about Santa Barbara?
There is a reason the SB area is so beautiful and doesn't look like L.A. or the urban sprawl south of Rincon.

loc

: 7/19/2010

the reason santa barbara is so beautiful (especially along Milpas, San Andres, and Montecito streets) is because we don't have a target? that's backwards, nimby logic if i ever heard it. it's not like the site being considered is actually within the contiguous city. it's in goleta, for all intents and purposes (off of fairview, geniuses). all of you traffic and environmental nuts don't really understand how many trips are placed on the freeway for the purposes of shopping in ventura county (and oxnard is bakersfield by the sea, not ventura, mr. "local"). the council needs to get their head out of their collective a$$es and make the right decision. otherwise, they will get what they deserve, never closes the budget gap, and eventually cut services to their precious homeless, habitual drug addicts, and 'underserved' lower class, while the rest of us who do pay our taxes shop out of town.

Right decision!! : 7/19/2010

uh, mr. Nimby - Bakersfield by the sea IS ventura or ventucky. Google it if you don't believe me.
The point is SB does not need huge block malls or super stores. Us locals shop at the locally owned businesses.
Perhaps you should gather up your things and move back to LA where you belong.

loc

3 strikes : 7/19/2010

"while the rest of us who do pay our taxes shop out of town"
=
Why not make it easier on yourself and MOVE out of town.

YOU'RE OUT!

What happens next.... : 7/19/2010

So we try to get Companies with high paying jobs to open up shop in that spot. Lets see, the new employee's will have to make a min of $30 to try to afford a condo anywhere around here. So as a business owner, I would have to pay this, plus the high rent a new building would cost. Look around out in Goleta, so much commercial property is available, but sits empty. This pie in the sky attitude that people will come to SB and live and work is slowly going away. The state is in a serious budget crisis. I love the style of SB but it is getting old here. Think about this, basic condo or small house is at least $500,000. One day the people will see that the emperor is naked and that paying that much for a house while making only $30 an hour is crazy. If we do not do something about revenue in this town soon, it will become a carbon copy of Orange county.

my two cents

What happens : 7/19/2010

I love the style of SB but it is getting old here ..
Answer - move!
Because of moves like this SB will NOT look like Orange Co.

NEXT!

Ridiculous : 7/19/2010

-Kmart sucks and does not have the selection Target offers. It can't even compete.
-Target would generate SO much in tax revenues that would eventually go back into the community to serve the people.
-There are plenty of UCSB and probably even SBCC students who would kill to work for minimum wage at a local Target, so there's no need to "protect them" from being cheated or anything like that.
-Political implications? Are you kidding me city officials? It's a Target not an abortion clinic.

Target Owns

Ridiculous indeed : 7/19/2010

- Get in your car and drive to target in ventura or buy on-line.
- The tax revenue would not cover the costs of widening & beautifying the area
- students make up a very small part of the working class - besides McDonald's is always hiring.
- political implications = do as the resident voters ask - and they did.

Target's OUT!

Target or accessible low-cost goods? : 7/19/2010

The City of Santa Barbara committed to a living wage for its own workers and with contracted businesses. Although Target does not fall under the ordinance, I'm glad to hear that the spirit behind the living wage ordinance is alive. Why establish a business relationship with a company that is all about NOT offering full time jobs (read, no health benefits) or a living wage as its selling point? Let's talk about the cost of health care on Santa Barbara taxpayers.
"There are a lot of people who want low paying jobs."
Come again? Is that going to be part of Dale Francisco's re-election platform... "Santa Barbara: Where the people WANT low paying, part-time jobs."
Riiiiight.
And isn't there something called Costco somewhere nearby?

descrambler

Good Job, No Target : 7/19/2010

I am so glad that this didn't go through. Now if only we need to pass an ordnance that states if you do not have a home income of at least $100,000, you have to move to Goleta or Ventura and you can commute up here to clean my house and cut my grass. What a perfect place Santa Barbara would be.......

Now get the poor out of town

Good job No Target : 7/19/2010

Nice to see the ignorant chime in . .

Now get out of town

Shop in Ventura : 7/19/2010

Shop in Ventura at the Target there.
They recently opened another one in the Pacific view mall.
Fill up your gas tank too, it`s alot cheaper in Ventura.
SB is too uppity for a target anyways...

CH

Re: Good Job, No Target : 7/19/2010 : 7/19/2010

You spelled Ordinance wrong.
You are a joke and an ignorant yuppy scum bucket.

Hank

smippy SB : 7/20/2010

What a bunch of whining snobs, for those of you that are so closed minded to anywhere but you're little SB maybe try seeing there is life beyond SB. All the griping about LA and move there attitude shows how small minded your are. L.A. is better off without the closed minded ignorance.
it's not about the big box, it's about the availability of choice. But if you only want CVS have at it. The drive out of SB is refreshing. It's better than being an ostrich.

happy for the drive

target : 7/20/2010

Well no surprise here the City Council idiot wagon is on the loose again.Target or Walmart would bring lots of revenue to our city but as usual SB shity council shows why we continue to be the laughing stock to cities down south getting fat of of your complete retardation!!!!!!!!Way to go SHITTY COUNCIL

Replace city council

RE: "Think beyond your self and cheap clothes" : : 7/20/2010

It's not about cheap clothes! We're all trying to keep our heads above water. Maybe you're lucky enough to not have to shop around for bargains...and I'm not talking about cheap clothes, I mean groceries and other necessities...but most of us in the country are struggling.
My family has been here for generations and I was born and raised here, blessed to have a home in SB and I never want to leave. All we are saying is that we could use a good, clean, Target here at home to help out.

Cheese with the whine? : 7/20/2010

Ever heard of Costco?

: 7/20/2010

IF YOU WANT TO STOP THIS. ELECT DIFFERENT PEOPLE!!!

Replace K-Mart : 7/20/2010

Why not replace the K-mart in Goleta with a Target store?

All for Target, Target for All

Unhealthy Obsession : 7/20/2010

The proposal to build a Target (not that any specific retailer can be the motivation for a building permit) on Hollister Avenue north across from Costco is absurd with the comment above for "Storke/Glen Annie can more than handle the increase in flow." This intersection of Hollister Ave. and Storke/Glen Annie IS THE WORST CONGESTION in the entire South County.
For those complaining about the SB City Council in a closed session to discuss this, why not consider that they did exactly what the Brown Act requires for a Closed Session about a real estate transaction. Maybe, just maybe, the developer Bermant and his client Target did not offer enough money for this city property?

NO REASONING : 7/20/2010

Traffic and "other concerns?" What other concerns? Are they really suggesting that an additional Ross Dress For Less store is better for jobs than Target? Why wouldn't people want part time jobs? It's better than being unemployed. Also, La Cumbre is just set to fail with all its high end stores. Sorry, but Tiffany isn't going to do anything for the local economy.

The Dude

Right decision : 7/20/2010

Target wages are low and they represent the Wal-Martization of our economy, which is the exchange of low prices for poor work conditions.
The location is unacceptable.
They hose the employees to make a buck.

Don't go away mad - just go away.

The Dude is right. : 7/20/2010

"...Also, La Cumbre is just set to fail with all its high end stores. Sorry, but Tiffany isn't going to do anything for the local economy".
We needed saks fifth avenue and Tiffany's like we need a stoplight at 101.

Target : 7/20/2010

I don't get our city council at all. They have no problem that Santa Barbara has more " Medical Marjuana" dispencarys then any other city in the south coast, but a Target will cause problems. They do not listen to the majority of their citizens. Get the despencarys out and let the Target in.

carmom3

Cry : 7/20/2010

Me

a river!

Target this : 7/20/2010

You know there is a big open space in front of the mission that isn't doing anything.
How about slamming the target store there?
While your at it - let's build a couple of hi-rise buildings in downtown SB with 3 story shopping malls and parking lots.
Widen the freeway to 18 lanes and re-name our town LA North.

Political BS : 7/20/2010

I commuted to Oxnard for the past 2 years working in banking industry. Got laid off last month. I made a point of always shopping once at week at the Oxnard Target store. I found that BRAND NAME products (exactly the same) were as much as 50% less than the MONOPOLIES of CVS & Rite Aid up here. (only choices for drug stores-don't you think that is odd?). Then I began also going to Wall Mart and the same situation.
Someone is getting bought off here & I expect the city council is a part of it. I also agree that in a few years SB will be the new Carmel-get rid of the middle class-only rich & $10/hr. desperate illegals deserve to live here? And don't even get me going on the the Airport millions of dollars- it has always functioned just fine & now is a total mess. Who is running this city anyway?

Beachbob

Oxnard bob : 7/21/2010

Simple solution to your problem. Move to Oxnard where you can shop at any number of stores.
No Target - No Walmart - no LA Sprawl.
Keep LA 100 miles away!

Good job city council!

Manufacturing and higher-end industrial? : 7/21/2010

Perfect fit; large scale grow farms for marijuana. See Oakland now just is jumping on the bandwagon. A way to drive out local dispensaries and storefront operations. Oakland approves measures allowing large marijuana farms, small growers upset
"Oakland approves measures allowing large marijuana farms, small growers upset"
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2010/07/21/2010-07-21_oakland_approves_measures_allowing_large_marijuana_farms_small_growers_upset.html#ixzz0uKi5IoAs
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2010/07/21/2010-07-21_oakland_approves_measures_allowing_large_marijuana_farms_small_growers_upset.html

Genius!

City Council... : 7/21/2010

Let's see how they make a decision on BevMO ( the Target of Liquor Stores) Beverages and More...

Won't hold my breathe.

Cannot wait : 7/21/2010

Oakland was first, now SB will be next. All that open space will be converted into pot farms. Then we get the tax revenue from that and don't need a Target or Walmart.

You will see

High Paying Jobs?? : 7/22/2010

If SB want's high paying jobs and more high-tech to move into the area, then it needs to do what it can to make it easier for the talent to live here. As someone who works at a high-tech company, we constantly struggle with finding qualified people. And we are finding it increasingly difficult to get people who are here to stay, let alone move here for two big reasons: high cost of living and the growing gang problem (yep, the gang problem). Other companies in our sector are experiencing the same thing. The weather is simply not enough of a reason to live/stay here. We are seriously considering moving our company to the Bay area. Sure it's expensive up there too, but at least as an employer and employee, there is considerably more bang for the buck.

Member of SB's Disappearing Middle Class

SB Middle man : 7/22/2010

What a crock. If your company is going to move it won't be in the bay area - san jose perhaps but not coastal.
ALL companies operate based on profit / bottom line.
Your company has figured out it is cheaper to operate elsewhere - so be it.
Enjoy Merced - I think they have a target there.

BYE !

Bermant's PR People are all over this blog : 7/23/2010

The Bermant brothers have had more projects go belly up - or just utterly fail than any other developers. Oh yes and we have them to thank for that lovely Paseo Chapala

Face it THE RICH DONT want the POOR HERE in SB : 7/24/2010

move to LA and how am i going to come up with first last and security if i can barely buy food and clothes and i dont have health insurance and i could use a second job like this so my kids can go to summer camp or treats for field trips

Well we didnt get the Target, but we got the Bev-Mo : 7/28/2010

Look out, LA is moving closer and closer

me

Target : 7/28/2010

Are you kidding me? Americans are beaten down pussies, crawling around on our hands and knees, begging for cheap plastic Chinese goods? When all of our factories were offshored, throwing millions of Americans out of work, did we complain? NO!, When the mega boxes came to town, paying minimum wages for part time jobs, with no benefits for your kids, did you complain? NO! When our government gave tax breaks for "American" companies to send our jobs offshore, did we complain? NO!, When the contractors in town started using illegal labor for Carpenters, plumbers, electricians, landscapers, (skilled) gardeners, did you complain? HELL, NO! But when some minimum wage, cheap Chinese goods Box store can't open, THEN THE MEWLING BEGINS! What happened to us? WE USED TO BE SOMETHING! REMEMBER AMERICA?- Factories, commerce, a house and a gold watch for as life of work! Now, we crawl around on our bellies begging for a chance to buy some cheap, Chinese CRAP! are you guys kidding? you all Make Me Sick!

This town sucks!! : 7/28/2010

Santa Barbara makes everything difficult. The people have spoken, the public wants a Target store stop the B/S. That's why I shop in Ventura! this is ridiculous.

economic contributor

: 7/28/2010

target : 7/28/2010

America is done- we are rapidly approaching third world status, and what do we live and die for? Cheap Chinese junk! What is wrong with you people? Hey, Instead of going to costco for some cheap frozen chicken from thailand, go to a local meat market for a healthy alternative! Instead of a frozen steak from costco, go to whitefoot, or another local market that has good, american beef. Look at the pictures on their walls- local kids, growing up, wearing their cheerleading uniforms, raised in america by a small business family. Where are the costco pictures? Everybody walking around Costco weighs 300 pounds, or thereabouts- are you kidding? If it costs some of you a few dollars to shop at local stores, and you eat a little less, and drop to 280 pounds, and a local AMERICAN OWNED AND SUPPLIED business is helped to survive, We are all helped AS AMERICANS! I used all capitals, because you have all forgotten who we are- or who we used to be!

True thanks CLINTONS 4 : 7/28/2010

Free trade and Default Swaps

Time to picket every council meeting till Target is approved. : 8/4/2010

If these idiots we have for city council or SB city Council or SBC council will not vote this in it is time for the people to vote them out and show some reality to these civic leaders. We live in a city that is astronomical to live in and support yourself. Even part time jobs that are low paying are needed in this city for second jobs or for college student jobs. With the state of our economy people are hurting and going the distance to Ventura or Santa Maria is a joke. Let alone the amount of taxes lost to the city. Traffic issues are a joke for any of this discussion. So is environmental impact when you have a huge polluter in the air port next door.
Lastly to do this double dealing behind closed doors is also extremely rude to the public that wants and needs Target. But when you know your screwing your own voters you tend to want to do it behind close doors so it's harder to come after them come election time.

Sick of old rich people running everything.

We Want a Target store in Goleta : 8/4/2010

So Many people are out of work.Look at all the empty store fronts and buildings on State and Hollister ave. So many people here can't find any work. Do you think they will be able to pay there bills and property tax. I don't think so if there are no new companies hiring here. Whats wrong with a Target? Kmart is only alive still because it caters to the UCSB students and it hires all illegals now. Just walk in and look around there are mainly spanish speaking workers all over.Most companies here are only letting workers work 20 hour a week. Plus they hire illegals under the table. Brng some big stores in so Goleta resident can shop here and not go out of town everyweek.

city oF Goleta needs More $$$$$

: 8/6/2010

What are the political concerns?
The property in question was acquired by the City of Santa Barbara years ago in a questionable manner.
Essentially, the land is now an island surrounded by the city of Goleta. To put a Target there woulld allow the City of Santa Barbara to profit, while the City of Goleta incurs all the costs (traffic, pollution, security, etc)
Plus, how many local, i.e. Goleta, businesses would be shut down?
If Santa Barbara wants a Target so bad why don't they put on downtown? Goleta Valley shouldn't become the industrial zone to the city of Santa Barbara; it's one of the main reason their attempt to annexation was struck down 7 years ago.

jim

Target please!!!! : 8/13/2010

What about the old Mel Clayton Ford location? Why is this so difficult to get done?????? Save gas driving to Ventura or Santa Maria AND offer part-time jobs to many.